As you will see HERE, this website is a place for the environmentally responsible. It should be obvious what behaviour will be welcomed.


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    Just updated the CanaryCast page with today’s podcast … obviously the only subject right now is La Palma’s eruption.

  2. What? No drastic tsunami?? (INVOLCAN STATEMENT)
    Dammit! We’ll have to find something else to replace the panic with.
    How about exploding Australian nuclear Subs? Any mileage there?

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      May I remind you that we live in the European Union? Any reference to outdated idiotic imperial measurements smacks of a stupid yearning for an empire created by a warped British interpretation of history and is to be condemned as mindless fantasy. So no mileage please, it’s kilometerage, and the UK has been inching towards metrification for decades with little success, only to regress into the stone age. They will be bringing shillings and pence back soon.

      1. I’m amazed they haven’t already!
        Can’t remember where I saw it today… possibly the British Bullshit Corporation… The ‘Government’, 🤣, of the UK is going to legislate to bring back pounds and ounces for purchase weights….
        That should confoozicate anyone under about 40 for a while.
        I’m sure the great British Brexiteers will be delighted to see that their destruction of ‘The Old Country’ is going swimmingly.
        The Ningi is also set to return too I understand…. Although it’s exchange rate of 8 Ningis to one Triganic Pu May have slipped a little since Brexit

      2. Inches are still widely used in agricultural – all the old water pipes are measured in imperial.

  3. I’ve just caught up with your interim CanaryCast and it was great to hear you and Clio again. I’ve missed my regular catch up with news and views from Tenerife. It maintains a link with the island. I’m looking forward to the regular CanaryCasts resuming. I note that you’re thinking of a shared broadcast from your garden complete with chickens. I am bereft of any poultry puns but wonder if you remember the old warning about working with children and animals? In terms of the dangers in involving chickens in broadcasting, did you catch the news item last week involving Douglas Ross, the Scottish Conservative Leader, being drowned out by one of his chickens while Zooming in from home to question the First Minister in the Scottish Parliament? The film is available on You Tube and he subsequently posted a photo of the miscreant chicken who, to be fair, did us all a favour.

    1. Sustainability: Originally, meant making only such use of natural, renewable resources that people can continue to rely on their yields in the long term. The concept of ‘sustainability’ comes from forestry and originally meant something like: using natural resources mindfully so that the supply never runs out. (information taken from Wikipedia: Sustainability)

      Sustainability is not only environmental, but social and economic and are interdependent. If it is not economically viable, society collapses and nobody is interested in the environment.

      Tenerife’s original “Unique Selling Point” in the 15th century was geo-political; It was on the trade-route between Europe and the Americas and in its time, producer of sugarcane, rum and cochineal. Today, Tenerife is not geo-politically relevant and its USP is not so clear. Yes, it does have a temperate climate that is good for tourism, but what else does it have?

      Possibly it might be easier to list what it doesn’t have and what is not viable. It has no meaningful mineral resources and therefore industry is not a viable proposition. It is not on a trade route, so commerce is not a viable proposition or environmentally desirable.

      Agriculture and fisheries are important, but the number of people employed is insignificant.

      The Canary government spends millions every year advertising throughout the world the benefits of visiting Tenerife; sun, sun, sun and report the numbers visiting the islands and how much they spend. Quantity, not quality. How about a bit of diversity? Currently there is a push for digital nomads. But what about the older generation who stay 90 or 180 days, or all year? I believe, per person, they employ more people and contribute more to the island economy than the all-inclusive hotels.

      The all-inclusive hotels belong to international groups that are located off-shore and therefore pay no taxes in Spain. The all-inclusive room charges never see the islands. The poorly paid and overworked employees are the only ones paying their taxes. The only money the municipal councils see are; service charges, licence fees and council taxes.

      I doubt if the islands see one percent of the all-inclusive room charges. Smaller, locally operated hotels see more actual income, pay more taxes and the customers spend money all over the islands. Tourism may be an economic driver, but I don’t think the islands are getting all they could. I am for locally earned income being taxed locally.

      Apparently, tourists spend about €100.00 per day per person. This I think includes hotel fees. If the islands only got 5% of that figure, it would be a lot more than what they are getting now.

      It would be nice to see some real figures.

      Coming closer to home, does Tenerife really need 31 municipalities? I am not thinking about reducing the number of municipal staff or services, but reducing the number of politicians and their demands on space and resources. According to Ley 27/2013 Acto de Racionalización y Sostenibilidad de la Administración Local, municipalities with a population smaller than 20,000 were recommended to merge. In Tenerife there are 17 municipalities that fall into this category. Could we have closer to 20 municipalities?

      Possibly then, with less politicians, we might see an improvement in re-cycling, less use of plastic, a more efficient water supply and a working and complete sewage system. To be honest, I don’t know how we get so many blue flags. Where does all the sewage go? If there were more sewage works, there could be less inefficient and costly desalination plants.

      I accept that for geological reasons, reservoirs and cisterns are not really a good solution, but I live near a barranco and the amount of runoff flowing into the ocean with all that silt seems to be a waste of precious resources.

      Possibly, with more water reserves, agriculture could be reinvigorated so that the islands are more or less self-sufficient and hotels and restaurants could advertise with pride “locally grown produce”.

      Possibly also then the children would be interested in completing their education because there was a job to go to. Education is everything.

      Sadly, the unsustainable tourism does have a lobby that spends a lot of money convincing local government that unsustainable tourism is good and beneficial.

      Janet is correct, we have to be loud and clear what sustainability means for the HAVEN Tenerife.

      I found this link very interesting:

    2. James O’Brien’s analogy with the people on the bus hurtling towards the cliff edge is in my opinion slightly off: We as bus passengers have no access to the steering wheel or brakes – It doesn’t matter how many people want to stop the bus or steer it away from the cliff edge, we can’t. The controls are locked away and buried in parliament. It’s the politicians or the financial backers behind them who are in control of the steering wheel and brakes. Only when the financial backers and puppet politicians sense there is no money to be made in the path they are taking, will they put their feet on the brakes and steer the bus away from the cliff.

      Actually, the problem doesn’t end there; the companies and organisations financing the climate change are backed by shareholders who are only interested in making a profit NOW!

      Even worse, the managers and board members of those companies and organisations have a legal responsibility to ensure that the shareholders make a profit. Not enough profit and the managers and board members are voted out of office by the shareholders, or even worse – go to jail.

      Only when governments, companies and shareholders can be held legally responsible and convicted of harming the environment will things change!

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        Agreed. But this is why, in terms of the analogy, it is imperative for people to try, at least, to grab that steering wheel. It’s even more important if the means to do this are blocked off from us, and indeed if they are locked away from us as the UK Government is trying to do to the British public anyway, Patel seeming to want to make protest illegal. Johnson has even joked (privately but on record) that she is intent on turning the UK into “the Saudi Arabia of penal policy” … bad taste, given what that country is known for doing to its own people but Patel seems happy enough with the reputation as an utterly heartless and soulless politician prepared to countenance policies that aren’t just borderline illegal but which actually fully violate international law.

        What an attempt at grabbing the steering wheel looks like is the real question, for me. Is it boycotts of businesses whose shareholders simply will not put greed aside for the good of everyone (including themselves!), or is it putting glue on your hands and sticking yourself to a bridge? How can those who see the situation for what it is and don’t want to go over the edge stop that bloody bus and its headlong career towards the cliff?

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    Any further news on the uk to Spanish
    Driving licence extended date 31 october 2021.
    I was letdown by one of the ( can change your driving licence firms )
    Spain driving test at 69 a no no in Spanish .

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      Please see THIS post. Although I am no longer posting “news” stories such as this because this is now a “sustainable future including travel” website with posts appropriate to that model, I can confirm that the situation it depicted in June remains unchanged.

      For reference, in case you weren’t aware, Motorworld has now taken over Diana McGlone/McGowan’s One Stop Problem Shop. They are official Tráfico collaborators and will be perfectly able to advise you further. The website is HERE.

    2. Tom, as a new 70 yr old non speaking Spanish Brit , I , to save 2 visits to Trafico plus Spanish only forms took my lawyers advice and let him deal with it officially. It costs yeah but all done properly with pece of mind . Good luck , Gerry

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    Humans as a species have existed for a blip in planet Earth’s timeline.
    Planet Earth does not need us. Sadly, we do not realise that we need
    planet Earth. All civilised cultures have forgotten how to live with
    nature, not taking more than it can give, always leaving something for
    the next generation.

    Planet Earth is cyclic in nature (pun intended), and always has been. We
    have had warm spells and cold spells. Flora and fauna has had to move to
    follow these changes or die out. Civilisations have flourished when the
    conditions were good and perished when the conditions were not so good.

    We have had several major extinction events where at times, more than
    90% of life became extinct, but somehow, life continued and enabled
    different species to become dominant. Sometime or other, the human race
    will have outlived its usefulness. We do not have to be sentimental
    about this.

    Due to tectonics – volcanoes and subduction – in a few billion years
    there will be little or nothing to show for what the human race has
    produced. Let us hope that the next intelligent species look after
    Planet Earth a bit better than we didn’t.


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      John: “Sometime or other, the human race will have outlived its usefulness.” It is not clear to me what the usefulness of our species is. Please enlighten me. It seems to me that our species lives to the detriment of every other species except perhaps dogs, cats and various (other) parasites. And a few chicken.

      1. Usefulness is subjective and a metaphor.

        All living things have randomly mutated to their current form from a single-celled organism. This random mutation will continue, for better or worse. Those mutations that are not self-sustainable will perish. Where is there usefulness and purpose?

        You may argue that there is a food-chain and it has to be maintained. Others have other arguments.

        It is all very philosophical.

      2. Life just happens if conditions allow. The ‘usefullness’ of that life has no reationship or impact on the emergance of any life form. It just occurs. Take dinosaurs as an example, useful?

        But even in those times intelligence and strength dominated the pecking order. We’re no different but our intelligence allows us to destroy on a much massive scale. Just goes to prove rhat ntelligence and being intelligent are not synonymous.

  6. Janet
    Sorry to introduce a note of mundanity into our new scientific conundrums.
    You’ll hark back to the days when we were all getting our vaccinations? Your reaction was different to mine, was different to Sheilas etc.?
    Well, to elaborate on our trip report last weekend… we appear to have brought a few million little devils back with us!
    (We both have Covid19 for the hard of thinking)
    Anyway… as to reactions to vaccines. You’ll remember I was just a little discombobulated for two days whilst Sheila ignored the whole thing…. and that is exactly replicated with the actual virus.
    It made my nose run and gave me a cough for a couple of days before quitting in disgust. Sheila tested positive on Monday this week and, apart from aching slightly in her bones for a couple of hours on Tuesday, is apparently untouched by the thing.
    Bearing your reaction to the vaccine in mind, your reclusi-osity may indeed be a good thing!
    Stay safe on the mountain!

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      glad you’re feeling better, Jon, and I would think your minor-key experiences with covid itself are in no small part due to the fact you were vaccinated to begin with. Really good to hear, though obviously not that you actually got the bloody thing at all! It’s like Ray says, travel is the problem … used to broaden the mind, now many have closed their own minds voluntarily so no need, especially when the virus is everywhere. Only yesterday I was reading some opinion that covid was only just starting with the world just as the entire population of the north west hemisphere thinks it’s all over!

      1. Believe me when I say, we didn’t want to go. However, events conspired etc….
        Apparently, a house in the midst of a forest in the triangle Basingstoke/Newbury/Reading is now insanely desirable and a must have… so legal stuff had to be signed. However, it has, at least, guaranteed our future here.
        I cannot reconcile the removal of the ability to broaden the minds of the young. All our futures depend upon their understanding of the problem and their own ability to cooperate with their peers to find the key to sustainability.
        The planet will, eventually, cleanse itself and the cycle will restart. Things like the plains of Nazca will once again be left to puzzle the future man. Perhaps next time they’ll think closer to home than the ‘Alien Airport’ theories of the lines. Perhaps they will think, hang on…. Perhaps they won’t.
        If we’re so desperately overcrowded, why are we vaccinating? If the Gulf Stream is indeed about to fail and civilisation about to put its head between its knees and kiss its butt goodbye, why are we interested in the lifeboats? Any escapees from that disaster will destroy our haven here, long before any way to prevent it can occur.
        As to forthcoming episodes of the current soap-opera.. …, with just 205,822,170 cases worldwide out of a population of 8billion? Yeah, I’d say there’s a long way to go.
        I’m not religious. I’m too much of a realist for that. But IF there is a plan, it was a doozy!

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        because we have to keep moving forwards while we survive … and because in too many places reality is being denied anyway. And yes, a doozy …

  7. Couldn’t agree more about selfish environmental irresponsability. To me that includes the perceived right to fly anywhere on the globe to holiday. Sit on a sunny beach. sea sun and sangria.

    My wife and I would always holiday in the UK. Many good times spent on Bournemouth beach with our children (and we took our rubbish home) Good times. Times that prove to me that international holiday travel is not an essential requirement and needs to stop.

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      loved Bournemouth, as did my mother. Couldn’t agree more Ray.

  8. Your not wrong Moria but a bigger issue/obstacle is us, humans. We want what we’ve got and more besides, we are entitled and demand more and are totally selfish We all talk of climate change and taking care of the planet but we continue to trash and polute our environment. We are the problem. The pandemic has demonstated these traits very well at a human level. Then you have the likes of China building coal fired power stations to grow it’s economy but claim they will be carbon niteral by 2060. Far too late.

    But the real issue, the absolutely huge elephant in the room, is population. The planet cannot sustain the numbers we have now let alone the future. In the past 70 years global population has tripled and it’s growth is not stopping. That is the real problem but I’ve yet to see a politician, or anyone else, raise it as an issue let alone disuss it. Not suprising really because who’s going to get elected on the basis that at least 60% of us need to go? And if 60% were to go then so would the lifestyle that we enjoy today because their would not be enough of us left to sustain it

    I know my rhoughts may appear gloomy but I believe it is reality and proven by history. Man (humans) are destroyers.

    People speak of ‘saving the planet’ but that is not the issue. The planet will survive. It’s got billions of years to do so. What people really mean is ‘save the human race’. Us as a species. To be frank I disagree. We are the problem and the sooner that our species is wiped from the surface of the earth the better.

    1. and Ray think you hit the nail on the head 100% agree, it’s not doom and gloom it’s probably the real problem

  9. I can’t argue with most of your analysis Janet but I fear that you are a voice in the wilderness. I have long come to the conclusion that politicians – of all stripes – are interested only in the short term and cling to policies which will win them the next election. They can’t seem to see beyond that and cannot bear to work with other parties in the national, let alone the global, interest. Add to the politicians’ shallow and vain interest in power apparently for power’s sake the cynical and vested interests of large business, then I am afraid that I am very pessimistic. What I can’t understand as the climate change chickens apparently come home to roost decades sooner than these parasites anticipated is why these politicians and business moguls apparently don’t care for their own children and grandchildren even if they don’t care about the rest of us? As for the wider public, the level of social and political awareness within society appears to have plummeted. Folk can tell you the life history of all the contestants on Love Island but don’t know who the U.K. Leader of the Opposition is – the modern day version of bread and circuses. I applaud your efforts to begin a conversation and to raise awareness but at the moment I am at the point of despair over much of what I am witnessing in the world right now and the impotence of our supposed ‘leaders’ to address any of it.

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      which is why politicians and commercial sectors are the last that the post is addressed to. I do not care if I’m a voice in the wilderness. What I will no longer be is complicit by allowing blatant selfishness, environmental irresponsibility, and bigotry to go unchallenged in my life or on this website.

    2. Totally agree Moira, very well written and of course so was Janet’s original post
      When we first moved to Tenerife we rented a villa in del duque – very expensive but thought was what we wanted, so tried it out – after 6 months bought a farm away from everyone and then a few months after that all the land surrounding it – we changed direction and decided we wanted to be self sufficient (not meat)
      We grow potatoes, carrots, broccoli, peppers, lettuce, cabbage, onions, garlic, tomatoes, sweet corn, peas, beans etc etc have a big green house plus areas outside fenced off to stop the dogs destroying , although allow 25% for whatever eats the crops not sure what it is either rabbits, lizards, rats or mice or maybe those Turkey type birds, we will start chickens this year only for eggs as none of us would be able to dispatch them, prefer to keep as pets if they don’t lay
      We have water actions – no idea how they work, nobody has been able to explain, so rent them back to the water company and they pay us
      We spend all day tending to the plants, watering 3 times a day as one time our water lines and actuators failed and everything was dead within 2 days
      After all that work 1kgs or carrots is a euro in Lidl but we spend months growing to get a few kgs but at least home grown, brócoli grown at home best tasting but costs a lot more in our time and effort
      EV’s as far as I understand battery’s are only good for 350-500 charges and if fast charged that declines, can’t see enough renewable energy to ever make them work – could be wrong of course and happy to be corrected
      It’s a very hard to find the right balance as we’ve experienced self sufficient actually seems to cost a lot more, but the rewards at the end are well worth it, but if I’m totally honest it’s probably better to go and buy as needed, although I won’t give into that 😀 so there’s a cost involved with saving the planet, which is possibly part of the problem?
      Only my experience so far

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    Some comments removed … you can talk about “getting back to normal”, carrying on as before, however you wish to put it but as I have already said that is not happening. You might as well get used to it. Janet is taking a break and is planning some change in direction on this site, the direction of which is solely hers to determine so the gaslighting of “yes it’s her site but …” can stop now. The change in title is only just the beginning. Watch this space.

  11. Jon loved your trip report (still working on what is Flex it) 😂😂, as for Ray – you are the one that needs to give it a rest not Jon and not Janet, I also fought to keep UK in EU as I work and so will my children in different countries throughout EU – basically you are a Hypocrite, living in EU and stopping our future generations having a better future and being able to do the same

    You believe anything you hear clearly, like Keiths FAKE NEWS – since when has Northern Ireland been part of Great Britain, maybe you both read it on the side of a big RED BUS, seriously get a grip and an understanding of the real world, not your little Britain

    Janet’s website is a blog / news site and her own she can write as she likes – you don’t like it, then move on she’s not paid to do it

    Never should have let these uninformed people allowed a vote as this is how this all happened, believed anything, rather than the reality, Northern Ireland part of Great Britain – says it all they are part of UK!!!!

    and if you want to repyl Ray, let me / all of us know the benefits of Brexit so far as you voted for it, not us

    Janet you’ll know who I am, I emailed asking about working abroad more than 6 months at a time as this has impacted myself and my family very heavily though we’ll never regret living in Tenerife, and now running a rescue centre for dogs 😉

  12. Haven Tenerife? Have I missed something?

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      No, you haven’t missed anything. Janet is taking a break and is planning some change in direction on this site. The change in title is only just the beginning. Watch this space.

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        An easy view for clarity as to the confines of UK/GB. Great Britain and northern Ireland form the United Kingdom. Without northern Ireland, the UK is GB.

        uk gb

        This one is more informative, no doubt totally unnecessary because all Brits know where they live, don’t they?


  13. Ok. A story of a trip to Ingerlund…
    Departing on Friday 30th July and returning today, 6th Aug.
    LPA to BRS by Ah be jasus airlines.
    Covid test for entry to England, €70 each at Eurofins at GC airport. (In TFS too)
    Two x 2 + 8 day tests in England, £79.99 from Expert Medicals.
    Two return fares from Ryanair, €60 the pair.
    Breakfast on board both ways, €36
    Car rental from Hertz, €323 the week.

    Tests at Eurofins. Great service, nice folks.
    2 & 8 day tests…. Nice and cheap, but you get what you pay for. Sundays day two test results arrived THURSDAY evening and only after I complained. Avoid.
    PROS. Good price and only €7 to upgrade to priority and a cabin bag.
    Left on time, arrived on time there and back.
    CONS. Although breakfast booked for two, no one had checked. One bacon roll and a chicken salad sandwich ain’t a breakfast. But it sufficed. Same on the way back.
    And when I say “One Bacon Roll” that was the sole roll aboard!
    BIG CONS. Paperwork checks….errrr, no. “have you got…?” “Yes”, “ok, carry on”
    Coming back… “Have you got the app?” Yes we have. Ok, get on.

    Car Rental from Hertz…
    Ok. It was a car, it was clean, it had a tank of fuel. But the Car Rental Centre is NOT “Within walking distance of the terminal”. It’s on airport land in much the same way as the Isle of Wight is in Hampshire…. It’s a bus ride away. Naturally it rained when we returned the car at 3am to a ghostly Parking spot 🤣
    As for coming back today…. no one checked a damn thing until we were within the terminal at LPA.. No one.
    Yes. Our passports WERE stamped outbound AND inbound at LPA. Even though we presented TIEs first.
    Don’t care.
    Spain has made it clear it makes zero difference to anything, but I did ask why….
    I won’t post the answer I got because someone will instantly cry about it. (Five letter acronym. Rhymes with Flex it….)
    So. All in all. We achieved the trip we had to make without drama. So be reassured. You CAN go back and forth if you need to. It all works, at least for we residents.

  14. Hi Moira
    Thanks for that.
    Will look into that too.

    We’ll get it sorted.

    Incidentally , yesterday I asked one of the specialist companies recommended on here just why their charges were so expensive; answer “because no-one else will offer insurance in these circumstances”.
    I understand greed, but don’t like it much.

    Same car, same driver, same house; if I did say 6.25 months in the UK and 5.75 months in Spain before taking residency in Spain , and now switch to the reverse of 6.25 in Spain, and 5.75 in the UK, that is 2 weeks LESS use in the UK than before, but my specialist premium goes up by £300 minimum.


  15. Hi again Dennis – having put in my tuppence worth the only thing that now occurs to me – before you rush to get rid of your U.K. vehicle – is that I don’t know if car hire firms have an age limit in terms of who they’ll hire a car to? Does anyone know? I have remembered you mentioned you were over 75 and so if there were such an age limit and you do need your own transport when visiting the U.K., there may be a need to bite the bullet and retain your U.K. vehicle despite the high cost.
    Also Keith, I may have misunderstood your meaning but I thought that it WAS the U.K. which included Northern Ireland – ie The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland – whereas Great Britain referred only to the larger island (England, Wales and Scotland)?

  16. Just read the 4th Aug piece and agree 100% with the comment made by Steve Baker.

    His statement on twitter called it a political fiasco, which it was and still is. Conveniently the word ‘political’ has been dropped, edited out, ignored (call it what you will) by the remainer world. But hey, that’s life.

    As for “free trade, free movement, and peace in our time”. Give it a break.

  17. Thanks Theresa. I’ve tried to access ‘home’ under the menu selection but access appears to be blocked for some reason at the mo, I just get a cross ✖️ when I try. I’m sure it must be a temporary glitch so will try again tomorrow.

  18. Thank you very much Moira (and Dave) (and Ray0 and all for your helpful advice. Much appreciated.
    Stay safe

  19. I must agree with Moira. On the few occasions we return to the UK we rely on public transport or hire a car if necessary. When we moved here 14 years ago, we decided that, living in Los Cristianos, we would not need a car as the bus network was sufficient. Likewise, we hire a car on those occasions when we need one.

  20. Ray – look on Janet’s general blog under Home that MAY be where whatever is in question is answered.

  21. ETIAS is a good process. The USA has a similar online scheme. Works well and the UK should consider something similar. As for ignorant UK tabloids, nothing new there, but don’t make the false assumption that UK citizens are also ignorant of how the EU works. Most are fully aware of those facts.

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    Commenting on the ETIAS system, the Guardian has an article HERE which describes how the UK fully supported the charges being brought in. Anybody who claims these charges are somehow an attack on the UK by the EU is clearly totally ignorant of the procedure by which the ETIAS system was devised. Such claims are of course indicative of the general ignorance of how the EU works, and from the way the tabloid press is reporting, this is widespread in the UK.

  23. Hi Dennis, depending upon how often you return to the U.K. and how long you spend there and how many days you would drive, it may be far less hassle to sell the U.K. vehicle and use the money to hire a car for U.K. visits. When you factor in U.K. road tax, MOT, servicing plus the enhanced insurance premiums, the combined costs would surely go a long way towards car hire? At one point I had considered purchasing a car in Tenerife once I had retired and could spend more time on the island. However over the years the number of vehicles on Tenerife roads has increased dramatically and driving cannot be described as a pleasure. I always used to hire a car for my entire visit to Tenerife but in recent years I have used the buses and would hire a car if I needed to for a couple of days or to show visitors around the island. I know it is galling when you have a perfectly good vehicle garaged at your second home in the U.K. but overall I think it would be far less hassle to hire a car using the money you’ll save from keeping the U.K. car ‘on the road’.

  24. As for obtaining car insurance. As we know, in the UK named individuals are insured unlike here where the vehicle is insured. UK law requires that only residents can be a named person. It’s always been that way both pre and post brexit. So the issue is simply a matter of residency and not Brexit.

    The same goes for life insurance. May also apply to other policies but I don’t know for sure. The only option is the expat insurance route but as others have said it does not come cheap.

  25. Janet did not post anything in these comments on 4th August Jon. Maybe that is why I did not read it!

    Her last post here was 31 July which I did read and responded.

  26. Just to finalise, by saying that Keith Michael DO still offer cover in these cases, but of course it is expensive.

    My wife had incorrectly given them details of another quote (when in reality it was the existing policy which had been cancelled) so they had wrongly taken that to be a quote with which they could not compete.

    NOTE: Their Insurance cover STARTS at £500, which is a very high cost (especially if you only use the car in the UK for say 2 months in a year!).

    Thanks all.

  27. Ray
    Might pay you to read Janets comment of 4th August to which I was replying? Or perhaps not as you may read something you don’t like.

  28. Ellen.
    I am of course very happy for you that you did your research etc.
    I have to say that we did consider the decision we made based on what we believed was best for the country, not so much for ourselves.
    We do accept the outcome and are not asking for any change to the decision.

  29. Thank you, KW and Jon, for your suggestions.

    We have actually already tried Keith Michaels with no luck. It looked ideal from their website but they just simply replied that they couldn’t help!
    I asked them for a reason and will post it if I get it; could be it is because we are over 75 (but all the main UK insurers we have tried so far were happy with the age, just not happy with the residency).
    I will try the other one. Many thanks.

  30. It sometimes amazes me how many people actually believed everything they were told without actually looking for information regarding the ramifications of the UK leaving the European Union.
    I personally read as much information as I could possibly find well in advance of the vote.
    We are given information on a regular basis about various topics but the onus is on us to make sure we understand how it affects us.

  31. Give it a bloody rest Jon. This forum is about In Tenerife. We all know your an avid remainer and nothing wrong with that but Brexit is done and dusted so please get over it, stop banging your particular drum and keep posts relevant to what’s going on here on this Island.

  32. Dennis, I am a Tenerife resident. My husband and I also have a UK address where we stay when visiting elderly parents, children and grandchildren. A couple of years ago my parents were no longer able to hold UK driving licences due to age and health. I transferred the registration of their car into my name and our own UK address. It was obviously pre-Brexit but I have insured the car via this insurance broker:- Keith Michaels PLC, Central House, 1-15 Central Road, Worcester Park, Surrey, KT4 8EG. Web: We deal with Jason Robery Tel: 0208 329 1150 Direct line: 0208 329 1168. They are using the insurance company Ageas Groupama to insure the car and the last annual premium was £575.00. It’s insured for me and my husband is named driver. We are both 63 years, hold Spanish driving licences and have no health problems. It was probably not as cheap as if I was a UK resident but still half the price of what my parents had been paying due to their age and deteriorating health before they gave up their licences. May be worth getting in touch with them? We have been happy with the service so far.

  33. Re the fiasco of Brexit I do so wish I hadn’t just glibly trusted the stated advantages (which I haven’t seen taking okace) and not worried about the disadvantages of voting no….it is my fault. I was duped. I was misled by liers.
    I trusted that I was being told the truth and the whole truth. ..but that wasn’t the case.

    How I do regret voting to leave.

    Even now, having gone through all the procedures and costs and delays of becoming a resident of Spain, yet more problems are now coming to light of which surely only the most studious might have been aware.

    I am talking about my wife (also a resident in Tenerife) returning to our UK address a couple of weeks ago to see her 3 children and her 4 grandchildren after a 10 month stay here in our Los Gigantes home) only to discover that , after quarantine) she could NOT drive our own insured and tested and taxed car , in our own garage in our own uk home of many years, because of the fact that the major insurance company that we use immediately cancelled our existing live policy – just because we are resident now out of the UK.

    We have NOT yet find a way to get insurance cover.
    Anyone have a legal work-around or a solution please?

    Of course, it is all because we chose to reside here, but we did that, really, because of bloody Brexit..

    How I hate Brexit now, for many reasons, but the fact that I can’t drive my own uk car to visit my family in the UK really brings it to attention.

    Rant over.
    Cut off his head.


  34. Brexiteers call their own Brexit a fiasco….

    Well! How very dare they! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  35. Hi all
    As Janet and others have commented extensively over the past 16 months enforcement of Covid restrictions has been a serious issue and alongside irresponsible behaviour has had a significant implication for many who are following the rules
    After viewing properties over a several weeks our Friday flight home was cancelled so we were overnighted in a hotel in Adeje
    20m from our room on a piece of waste land behind a bar the area was being used as a nightclub with 75/100 people partying beyond midnight- no masks, no social distancing
    The hotel was asked by ourselves and others to call the police but nothing happened. It would appear the hotel had given up reporting this regular occurrence
    In exasperation I have sent full details to the British Counsel with a video of the nightclub in action
    I hope readers of this will not lambast me for reporting it in this way as talking to elderly couples either side of our hotel room neither had slept properly over many days and one were in tears telling us this having had no help from the hotel

  36. I am delighted to say that I too won a holiday from the Cabildo and can’t wait to start choosing where to go. I was astonished to get notification of it on a difficult day. 😃🎉

  37. Sounds like a great event to be part of – that terrace with a view and excellent hospitality and company.

    Can we not meet up in groups of 15 or so and form a fighting force for good?

    If not, good luck anyway!

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